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	<title>Comments on: Performance Testing university course</title>
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	<description>Performance Testing with a LoadRunner focus</description>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Abubakar</title>
		<link>http://www.myloadtest.com/performance-testing-university-course/#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Abubakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Nov 2006 20:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let me get details information through my email</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let me get details information through my email</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Moncrieff</title>
		<link>http://www.myloadtest.com/performance-testing-university-course/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Moncrieff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Alex. From your link, it looks like there are at least 6 other university subjects with a focus on computer performance.

...oops, one link is dead with a 404, one course is now offered by e-learning, and one course hasn&#039;t been run since 2003.

I will have to check out the course materials for the other ones though.

Cheers,
Stuart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Alex. From your link, it looks like there are at least 6 other university subjects with a focus on computer performance.</p>
<p>&#8230;oops, one link is dead with a 404, one course is now offered by e-learning, and one course hasn&#8217;t been run since 2003.</p>
<p>I will have to check out the course materials for the other ones though.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Stuart.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Podelko</title>
		<link>http://www.myloadtest.com/performance-testing-university-course/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Podelko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2006 03:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>found an interesting link about the subject:
http://www.frontrunnercpc.com/info/classes-fs.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>found an interesting link about the subject:<br />
<a href="http://www.frontrunnercpc.com/info/classes-fs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.frontrunnercpc.com/info/classes-fs.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jewell</title>
		<link>http://www.myloadtest.com/performance-testing-university-course/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand Stuart&#039;s concern, but my own concern would be more along the lines of the dangers of a little knowledge.  I know that there are lot of companies who want to do performance testing of their systems but aren&#039;t willing to pay for an experienced person.

What I see happening is that people who have taken a class in college will get these jobs and do a poor job of testing the systems.  That won&#039;t help them or the company they&#039;re working for.

However, I welcome the existence of any formal training on software testing, and I&#039;d love to take the course myself.  Most of my knowledge comes from the streets and I&#039;m sure I could learn things to make me better.  Any training I could get to keep me from making the kinds of mistakes I&#039;ve made in the past would be welcome.

By the way, I just discovered your blog.  Thanks for making the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand Stuart&#8217;s concern, but my own concern would be more along the lines of the dangers of a little knowledge.  I know that there are lot of companies who want to do performance testing of their systems but aren&#8217;t willing to pay for an experienced person.</p>
<p>What I see happening is that people who have taken a class in college will get these jobs and do a poor job of testing the systems.  That won&#8217;t help them or the company they&#8217;re working for.</p>
<p>However, I welcome the existence of any formal training on software testing, and I&#8217;d love to take the course myself.  Most of my knowledge comes from the streets and I&#8217;m sure I could learn things to make me better.  Any training I could get to keep me from making the kinds of mistakes I&#8217;ve made in the past would be welcome.</p>
<p>By the way, I just discovered your blog.  Thanks for making the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.myloadtest.com/performance-testing-university-course/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, those things take years to master. But that&#039;s mastery. Does it take years to learn how to play chess? No. Does it take years to become a master of chess? Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, those things take years to master. But that&#8217;s mastery. Does it take years to learn how to play chess? No. Does it take years to become a master of chess? Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.myloadtest.com/performance-testing-university-course/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding, right??  PLEASE tell me that you are kidding!!  

1) I can&#039;t tell you what I&#039;d give to hire up a bunch of these kids!  I could almost always use 1 (or 15) sharp, not overpriced scripters with a clue!  If you&#039;re really concerned about your profit margin, just hire them!

2) You can&#039;t seriously think that some recent grads with 13 weeks of &quot;experience&quot; will actually compete with professional performance testers can you?!?  I honestly don&#039;t see them even competing with the 80% of people who claim to be performance testers who are classic &quot;fools with tools&quot;.

3) Even if every university with a Computer Science program offered this course, I doubt it would be manditory and I further doubt that more than... say... 1% of the students who take this course will actually end up specializing in performance testing.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t call that a flood!

4) Cem Kaner and I have been trying to find the time to build a similar course for over a year.  Trying to boil just the critical concepts down to a 13 week college course leaves a LOT of room for growth.  I&#039;m just about convinced that it would take most of an Associate&#039;s Degree to really develop competitive performance testers right out of school.

5) If I get driven out of my profession, or if my bill rates go down do to an influx of recent grads with a single performance testing course, then I never deserved what I was making in the first place and it serves me right for taking advantage of my clients.

I, for one, am thrilled to see this.  I&#039;ll be volunteering to be a guest speaker, assist with course improvements and providing the instructor with &quot;For Academic Use&quot; versions of virtually all of the training and/or informational materials that I own the rights to.    Maybe it really will generate a new generation of folks that can grow into high quality performance testers in 3-5 years as opposed to the 10 it has taken most of us who have earned a clue or two.

--
Scott Barber
Chief Technology Officer
PerfTestPlus, Inc.
Better Testing... Better Results
sbarber@perftestplus.com
www.perftestplus.com

&quot;If you can see it in your mind...
    you will find it in your life.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding, right??  PLEASE tell me that you are kidding!!  </p>
<p>1) I can&#8217;t tell you what I&#8217;d give to hire up a bunch of these kids!  I could almost always use 1 (or 15) sharp, not overpriced scripters with a clue!  If you&#8217;re really concerned about your profit margin, just hire them!</p>
<p>2) You can&#8217;t seriously think that some recent grads with 13 weeks of &#8220;experience&#8221; will actually compete with professional performance testers can you?!?  I honestly don&#8217;t see them even competing with the 80% of people who claim to be performance testers who are classic &#8220;fools with tools&#8221;.</p>
<p>3) Even if every university with a Computer Science program offered this course, I doubt it would be manditory and I further doubt that more than&#8230; say&#8230; 1% of the students who take this course will actually end up specializing in performance testing.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t call that a flood!</p>
<p>4) Cem Kaner and I have been trying to find the time to build a similar course for over a year.  Trying to boil just the critical concepts down to a 13 week college course leaves a LOT of room for growth.  I&#8217;m just about convinced that it would take most of an Associate&#8217;s Degree to really develop competitive performance testers right out of school.</p>
<p>5) If I get driven out of my profession, or if my bill rates go down do to an influx of recent grads with a single performance testing course, then I never deserved what I was making in the first place and it serves me right for taking advantage of my clients.</p>
<p>I, for one, am thrilled to see this.  I&#8217;ll be volunteering to be a guest speaker, assist with course improvements and providing the instructor with &#8220;For Academic Use&#8221; versions of virtually all of the training and/or informational materials that I own the rights to.    Maybe it really will generate a new generation of folks that can grow into high quality performance testers in 3-5 years as opposed to the 10 it has taken most of us who have earned a clue or two.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Scott Barber<br />
Chief Technology Officer<br />
PerfTestPlus, Inc.<br />
Better Testing&#8230; Better Results<br />
<a href="mailto:sbarber@perftestplus.com">sbarber@perftestplus.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.perftestplus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.perftestplus.com</a></p>
<p>&#8220;If you can see it in your mind&#8230;<br />
    you will find it in your life.&#8221;</p>
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